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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2012 19:38:31 GMT -8
Sheogorath and his opponents appeared at their battle location, a very special pocket dimension for battles such as this. A endless green expanse, rolling hills, sun shining in the sky, and a small coffee table setup with the Lord himself sitting there. One other seat was set however, on the same side as Sheogorath, facing the group that was standing about 10 yards away.
"Glad you all could make it, though considering I brought you all here, if you didn't make it you'd probably be stuck in a wall or the ground or something. HAHAHAHAHA!"
Sheogorath's laugh was followed by a bit more laughter, but soon subsided before he looked back at the group.
"So as I said before, theres more of you here than I expected, so Before we get this underway, I'd like you to meet a friend of mine..."
Sheogorath clapped his hands twice, calling out something.
"Vissy! We have guests!"
Summon Ally Hyper SKill Summons one other Sub-Boss or lower ally to fight with you, may only be used if facing more than 5 navis with combined versions totalling above 35. x1 use per battle
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2012 19:49:36 GMT -8
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((... Gogo attack now? Or RP First? 0.o))
A friend of his?
" Great. I love surprises."
Warrior stepped out from the group. He didn't often fight with a 'team', but decided to play it safer this time. Naturally, it ended up biting him in the rear. But atleast it wouldn't be totally unfair.
" Wow... This is a nice place!"
Somehow or another, Wave was sitting in the empty seat before anyone really had the chance to notice him walk over there. Leaning back on only two legs of the chair, feet crossed on the table, one hand cushioning the back of his head, and the other bring used to sip from a cup of tea as he reclined in his position next to Sheogorath.
Clearly that wasn't placed there for Wave, but he decided to make use of it anyway.
" Get visitors often?"
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Post by Team Active Star on Apr 14, 2012 19:54:34 GMT -8
Suddenly in the chair next to Sheogorath, behind the desk as well, a flash and a large crimson dragon appeared. At first he blinked, looking around at the area, who was present. And was confused...
"Hath Poker night changed? Tis not Tuesday correct?" Poker night with the bosses was the only time He remembered ever being summoned by Sheogorath. What did he have planned? These were just a bunch of runts, and...wait...
He arched his neck down to get a better look, his gaze locked on Warrior. "Why is Sir Reckless here?". He didn't expect to see that cockroach of a navi again so soon. And only added to his confusion. He figured there was a reason though, and decided to see what would unfold.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2012 20:00:47 GMT -8
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" MMMFFF KHHGGZZBT CHHJJJRR!!!"
So stealing that seat wasn't such a great idea after all. There'd probably be a mess to clean up out of that chair, once Viscadir stood up.
" Well..."
Surprise was an understatement. This was not somebody Warrior expected to see. Viscadir was Sheogorath's friend? ... There must have been some sort of club that these guys hung out in...
Warrior looked to the group, then back to the Crimson Dragon.
" ... Not as reckless this time, right? Pleasure meeting you... again."
... Atleast he was somewhat familiar with how that one fought.
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Post by Team Active Star on Apr 14, 2012 20:10:35 GMT -8
Viscadir scratched at his chin, nodding to Warrior briefly, until he heard a noise under him. Standing on his haunches briefly, he grabed the silly navi who was in his chair before him, holding him up to examine him briefly. " Thine should not sit where thee are not told." he causually toss the navi back towards the group, the plush grass likely making for a soft...ish landing.
Mean while, Rikaru stepped forward and looked between the two. He had not fought against two beings of high power like tbis before. He was actually somewhat nervious for once, surprising even himself at that fact. He waited quietly, not having much to say yet, and wanting to see if there were any other surprises.
Quickman on the other hand was jacked up, two for one her though this was gonna be a blast. He whistled, summoning in Ezra as well, walking up and clipping Warrior on the back. " So ya know our scaley friend there? Good deal! You can take him. I will focus on this Seegowhosit guy"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2012 20:19:07 GMT -8
"No, its not Poker night yet, just thought you'd want in on the fun. You always complained about how people would always challenge you one on one instead of coming in a group, and here I have a group just itching for combat. So I thought you might like to join in on the fun."
Sheogorath clapped once more, making some snacks for the two while they waited for the fun to start. Taking a small bite of the snacks he summoned and looked at the group of navis before the two.
"Feel free to start whenever you like."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2012 20:19:07 GMT -8
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Wave's body gently soars through the air, as graceful as a rag doll kicked down a flight of stairs. A rubber-ducky squeeky sound accompanies his soft impact with the ground as he bounces several times, somehow landing on his feet. His hair was slightly messed up (... more than it naturally was), and his vision was still spinning from the dizziness, but he seemed virtually unharmed at the moment.
" ... Why only two chairs, if you brought so many of us?"
Wave hung his head as he summoned his trident -- in a flash of white light, it appeared in his hand. He stuck the three-pronged end into the ground so that he could lean on the staff-isque end of the weapon as his fatigue slowly crept away.
Warrior snapped his head to Quick as he felt something graze his back. He almost raised his weapon, thinking this was another special appearance getting the jump on him, but he quickly cancelled his panic when he noticed it was just Quickman.
He shrugged at the comment... Made sense, he supposed, but the odds of that were... well.
" I wouldn't wanna hog all the fun. Feel free to join me."
A little bit of drool starting to moisten Wave's mouth... it wasn't pouring out or anything, but it was enough that he could almost taste what Sheogorath and Viscadir were snacking on.
"Feel free to start whenever you like."
" Don't mind if I do!"
Wave left his trident stuck in the ground and quickly marched over to the table, looking at the various snacks spread about. Evidently, Wave was totally oblivious to the fact that they were here to fight, not make friends.
His ears didn't even pick up Sheogorath's mention of the term "combat".
(( Battle-post will come next ))
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Post by Xypher on Apr 15, 2012 5:47:16 GMT -8
Merrill and Cinnamon looked around. This was a nice place. Truly, it was. However they had no idea weather it was faked like that, or not. Merrill looked at everyone who had gathered thus far. Then he noticed the dragon. A dragon. They were going to fight a dragon.
Cinnamon smiled and looked at everyone.
(Edit: Yeah... Debating stuff here. Gonna try and get an updated Merrill before this **** goes down. )
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Post by "Bill" on Apr 15, 2012 7:31:36 GMT -8
[glow=white,2,500]*Embera scratched her head, looking onward as she ported into the area. She was rather collected this time, not really caring for conflict.*
Embera: Eh....I'm ready when everyone else is. First things first, who's team am I on?[/glow]
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Post by Team Active Star on Apr 15, 2012 9:22:54 GMT -8
Quickman grinned at Warrior's reply. "Well then, gimme some pointers as we roll!" True to his name, he dashed forward towards the dragon, unleashing a vicious combo of flying boomerangs and close ranged cuts, not but a blur of motion while doing so.
Ezra remained where it was summoned, staring at the two enemies, amd waiting for an order to attack, not feeling confident in initiating of its own will.
Rikaru prepared, summoning his weapon, his mental Processes quickly taking in the area, planing on the opimal method to strike. But not yet making a move, wanting to see how others reacted, bosses included.
Defense
Monument of Sand Hybrid fusion skill: defense + support. Passive skill Rikaru starts battle, and always has an active object with 200 hp This object regenerates 60 hp per turn This object can have its hp go below 0 to a max of -200 While at or under 0 hp object can not be used to intercept attacks, but inturn grants Rikaru + 30 dmg to all attacks This object has 30 armor If northwind is used against this object it is reformed at 0 hp and cannot regen this turn
Set up
Rikau regens 200 HP Object regens 60 HP Ezra summoned Rik has no atk slots first turn Quickman has 6 atk slots
Offense
Rikaru uses no Attacks
Ezra waits
All at Viscadir
Quick Boomerang S-attack Sonic element Quickman uses his signature attack, throwing a spinning blade at his enemy! 102 DMG Cuts auras. Undodgable Optional auto attack If enemy ended their turn with a C-attack, this attack gains a second hit, avoided separately at half dmg If enemy ended their turn with a S-attack, this attack can be used with the skill "Instinctive Parry" with out the cost of an attack slot on the skill. If used this way, it can not be used as an attack this turn
Sonic Wave S-attack Sonic element Quickman releases a wave of sonic energy to strike his target 254 DMG. Breaks shields. Cuts auras Cant be natural dodged
Boomerang Toss S-attack Sonic element Quickman throws a boomerang that tracks the enemy 264 DMG. Undodgable. Cuts auras If used as the first attack on a turn, next attack can adopt undodgable, replacing a previous breaker if needed
Sonic Boomerang S-attack Sonic element Quickman throws a boomerang charged with sonic power 264 DMG. Undodgable. Breaks shields. If used as the last attack. Enemy degens 5 HP
Sonic Slash C-attack Sonic element Quickman slashes with a blade, a trail of sonic energy in its wake 264 DMG. Breaks shields. Cuts auras If hits enemy degens 5 hp this turn
Quick Slash C-attack Sonic element Quickman moves in the blink of an eye, cutting before the enemy can react 264 DMG. Undodgable. Breaks shields Next attack can adopt cuts auras, replaces a previous breaker if required
Sonic Punch C-attack Sonic element Quickman surrounds his fist with sonic energy, and slugs his enemy 264 DMG. Undodgable. Cuts auras If used by "Instinctive Parry" then Quickman's first Attack can adopt breaks shields, replacing a previous breaker if required
Standby
Rikaru HP: 1800/1600 Object HP: 250/200 Ezra HP: 700/700 Quickman HP: 800/800
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2012 9:46:57 GMT -8
[bgcolor=232323] " Let's get this over with." They knew what they'd come here to do. Well, most of them atleast. And there were things that needed to get done after this was over with -- so no time to hesitate.
Warrior was quickly breaking the bad habit of hesitating, it would seem.
A roar of thunder boomed, and a bright white flash blinded everybody for just a split second -- as if a bolt of heat lightning had emanated from their direct spot. As the flash faded, the sky was turned to a dark overcast, and the grass appeared to start turning gray from beneath Warrior's feet, and then began to spread throughout the rest of the field. It wasn't a magic trick -- a thin metal coating was actually materializing over the grass. It retained its shape, by adopted the texture of metal.
But it wouldn't stay that way for long.
A bolt of lightning struck down through the table infront of Sheogorath and Viscadir, causing it to explode right infront of them and causing some of the needles of metal grass to rise off of the ground. Before any of the debris landed, Warrior thrust his left palm forward to send a powerful gust of wind toward the two of them, picking up the metal blades of grass and the debris of the destroyed table as it headed in their direction.
He'd seen what Viscadir could do... now it was time to study Sheogorath. Wave nearly flipped his lid as the table suddenly exploded with a flash of lightning, just before he grabbed a snack to eat.
"... Party's over?"
He retreated back to the group before Warrior finished up his combo, in time to hear Embera ask her question.
" ... You're on our team this time, right?!"
He'd hoped so. Because he'd seen what she could do during the Autumnal Assault.
He grabbed his trident from the ground and pointed it to the now darkened sky. Rain began to pour relentlessly over the area -- within seconds it seemed as if a category-five Hurricane was sweeping through the area. Wind blowing, billows of rain pouring so powerfully that it actually felt sharp, and puddles starting to form around the metal field as rain water began to flood the area.
Wave lowered his weapon, but the rain continued to pour. He remained there, sort of waiting for Embera's response... Warrior didn't respond to Quick's comment until after they had both made their attacks. He sort of got side-tracked with.... stuff ((He didn't want to backspace everything he'd already typed xD))" Just... Move fast, hit hard... and keep your ears closed." ((...and pray))Set Up HP: 2,500 / 2,500HP: 1,650 / 1,650- [Regen]: +375 HP
- [Regen]: +100 HP
- [Creamland's Honors]: +1 Attack Slot
- [Creamland's Honors]: +1 Attack Slot
- [Hypermode] Activated
- [Metal Stage] (2/3 Left) activated to summon [Metal Panels]
- [Elemporer]: +300 HP
- [Elemporer]: +5% Damage
- [Metal Panels]: +30 Damage
- [Metal Panels]: +30 Armor
[Chaotic Charge] -- Hyper Mode [Warrior's body illuminates as he gathers power at the start of battle. Inverted shockwaves appear to be absorbed by his body, creating a thunderous boom everytime he fully absorbs one of the shockwaves. After his brief gather of energy, the shockwaves he absorbs are released all at once, creating an unmatched explosion of thunder that tears away parts of the battle field as his rage is unleashed] -- During his HM, Warrior can sacrifice HP to boost his abilities as below: * Sacrificing 100 HP for any Attack allows it deal +50 Damage that use (Can stack on the same attack) * Sacrificing 100 HP for any Attack allows it to adopt an Omni-Aimer for that use (Can stack on the same attack) * Sacrificing 400 HP for himself grants Warrior +1 Attack Slot for the rest of HM (Can't stack) * Sacrificing 500 HP for any Avoid allows it to Avoid +1 Attack for the rest of HM (Can't stack with the same avoid multiple times) * Sacrificing 100 HP for Warrior's Regen allows it to increase by 50 for the rest of HM -- This HM can only be used on Warrior's first turn -- Only 2,500 HP can be sacrificed for this HM, per battle [4 Turns]
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Metal Stage Metal Element Metal Element navis get +30 Armor and +30 Damage (final total), and they may have one shield each turn become Unbreakable. The stage cannot be changed to Holey Panels. Lasts 3 turns.
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HP: 3,125 <Peak>HP: 1,750Offense [/u] Attack Slots: 8 (+1) = 9[/color] Attack Slots: 3 (+1) = 4[/color] -- Slot 1 -- [Launch] -- [ Wind + Metal, S-Range] [Wind shoots up from beneath the opponent's feet to launch them high into the air] [ 355 385 485 Damage] Undodgeable, Cuts Auras -[ The 'Multi-Element' Effect of this attack is twice as effective if one of Warrior's Elements correspond to the Panel Element] - Gained Metal Element -- [Multi-Element]
- +30 Damage -- [Metal Panels
- +20% Damage -- [Enhanced Multi-Element]
- +5% Damage -- [Elemporer]
- This Attack was aimed at [Viscadir]
-- Slot 2 -- [Spark Strike] -- [ Wind + Metal, C-Range] [Warrior's daggers crack with electricity as he strikes with them] [ 315 345 398 Damage] Undodgeable, Cuts Auras, Soak[ Auto-Strikes at 50% Damage if enemy used a Defensive Skill this turn (once per turn)] - Gained Metal Element -- [Multi-Element]
- +30 Damage -- [Metal Panels
- +10% Damage -- [Multi-Element]
- +5% Damage -- [Elemporer]
- This Attack was aimed at [Sheogorath]
-- Slot 3 -- [Launch] -- [ Wind + Metal, S-Range] [Wind shoots up from beneath the opponent's feet to launch them high into the air] [ 355 385 485 Damage] Undodgeable, Cuts Auras -[ The 'Multi-Element' Effect of this attack is twice as effective if one of Warrior's Elements correspond to the Panel Element] - Gained Metal Element -- [Multi-Element]
- +30 Damage -- [Metal Panels
- +20% Damage -- [Enhanced Multi-Element]
- +5% Damage -- [Elemporer]
- This Attack was aimed at [Viscadir]
-- Slot 4 -- [Launch] -- [ Wind + Metal, S-Range] [Wind shoots up from beneath the opponent's feet to launch them high into the air] [ 355 385 485 Damage] Undodgeable, Cuts Auras -[ The 'Multi-Element' Effect of this attack is twice as effective if one of Warrior's Elements correspond to the Panel Element] - Gained Metal Element -- [Multi-Element]
- +30 Damage -- [Metal Panels
- +20% Damage -- [Enhanced Multi-Element]
- +5% Damage -- [Elemporer]
- This Attack was aimed at [Sheogorath]
-- Slot 5 -- [Aero Shot] -- [ Wind + Metal, S-Range] [As Warrior fires, a slipstream of sharp wind trails behind his bullets, enhances their speed, accuracy, and range] [ 365 395 456 0 Damage] Undodgeable, Breaks Shields [ By reducing this attack's damage to '0', victim deals -50 damage (final total) for 2 turns, if hit by this] [This effect cannot stack with itself] x1/Turn - Gained Metal Element -- [Multi-Element]
- +30 Damage -- [Metal Panels
- +10% Damage -- [Multi-Element]
- +5% Damage -- [Elemporer]
- This Attack was aimed at [Sheogorath]
-- Slot 6 -- [Thunderfall] -- [ Elec, S-Range] [Warrior fires a blast of energy above his enemy, with his left palm. The energy splits into a myriad of lightning bolts raining down on the target's location] [ 365 623 654 Damage] Undodgeable, Cuts Auras [ This attack gains 50% of the damage Warrior lost by other attacks this turn that had their Damages reduced to '0' for the sake of adding effects] [Damage cannot exceed x2 the starting Damage of this attack via this effect] x1/Turn - +228 Damage -- [Aero Shot]
- +30 Damage -- [Metal Panels
- +5% Damage -- [Elemporer]
- This Attack was aimed at [Viscadir]
-- Slot 7 -- [Thunder Charge] -- [ Elec, C-Range] [Small orbs of light appear to materialize in the air as Warrior gathers energy. The orbs themselves are brought to and absorbed by Warrior as he continues to power up] [ 0 30 31 Damage] [Grants Warrior +410 Damage to a single attack next turn] x2 Turn - +30 Damage -- [Metal Panels
- +5% Damage -- [Elemporer]
- This Attack was aimed at [Sheogorath]
- If [Sheogorath] is Soaked, he will take 40 Damage instead
-- Slot 8 -- [Thunder Charge] -- [ Elec, C-Range] [Small orbs of light appear to materialize in the air as Warrior gathers energy. The orbs themselves are brought to and absorbed by Warrior as he continues to power up] [ 0 30 31 Damage] [Grants Warrior +410 Damage to a single attack next turn] x2 Turn - +30 Damage -- [Metal Panels
- +5% Damage -- [Elemporer]
- This Attack was aimed at [Sheogorath]
- If [Sheogorath] is Soaked, he will take 40 Damage instead
-- Slot 9 -- - [Zantetsuken] Charged (1/1)
-- -- -- -- -- -- Slot 1 -- [Tactical Counter] -- [ Aqua, C-Range] [Wave strikes back at his foe with strategic mastery over his actions] [ 160 0 Damage] [ Undodgeable if Wave dodged an attack this turn] [ Breaks Shields if Wave blocked an attack this turn] [ Cuts Auras if Wave Aura-avoided an attack this turn] [Cannot gain more than 2 Breakers] [ This attack automatically activates itself with Wave's first Attack Slot and deals 0 Damage if Wave did not avoid this turn] -- Auto Slot -- [Reprisal] -- [ Aqua, C-Range] [The opponent's attack meets Wave's weapon in a clashing block, causing them to stagger and opening them up for a counter-strike] [ 55 25 Damage] Undodgeable, Cuts Auras, Soak[ Optional Auto-Attack] - 50% Damage since the [Auto-Attack] Effect was used
- This Attack was aimed at [Sheogorath]
-- Slot 2 -- [Tidal Blade] -- [ Aqua, C-Range] [The blade-edge of Wave's weapon glows with a mystic cyan energy as he slices at his foe] [0 Damage] Undodgeable, Cuts Auras, Hits All[Victims have -1 Attack slot and -40 Damage for one turn, if hits] [Emulate] 1 Turn Cooldown - This Attack was aimed at [Viscadir] and [Sheogorath]
-- Slot 3 -- [Trident Wave] -- [ Aqua, C-Range] [The three spokes of the trident-end of Wave's weapon glows with a mystic cyan energy as he lunges at his target] [10 Damage] Undodgeable, Cuts Auras, Hits All[Victims have -25 Armor for one turn, if hits] [Emulate] 1 Turn Cooldown - This Attack was aimed at [Viscadir] and [Sheogorath]
-- Slot 4 -- [Critical Strike] -- [ Aqua, C-Range] [Wave pierces his enemy's defenses with his weapon] [85 Damage] Undodgeable, Cuts Auras [Cannot Be Countered, Ignores Armor] [Deals +50 Damage if target is Soaked] 1 Turn Cooldown - This Attack was aimed at [Sheogorath]
- If [Sheogorath] is Soaked, he will take 135 Damage instead
-- -- -- -- -- End Turn HP: 3,125HP: 1,750Status: HyperMode (1/4)Status: NormalStage: [ Metal (1/3)] Minimum Total Damage: [1,065@ Sheogorath] [1,634@ Viscadir] Maximum Total Damabe: [1,108@ Sheogorath] COOLDOWNS:[/u] [ Tidal Blade] (0/1) [ Trident Wave] (0/1) [ Critical Strike] (0/1) CHARGES HELD:[/u] [ Zantetsuken] (1/1) -- -- -- -- --
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2012 13:42:05 GMT -8
(@billy: Whichever side you want, but just a stats note, fighting with the sub bosses will net you no rewards, win or lose.
Also the deadline for posting is 24 hours after the person before you posts. i will now create the turn order based on nothing in particular. Goes by Member, not navi:
Quick(Rik and Quick) Warrior(Warrior and Wave) Billy(Embera) Diamond (Merrill and Cinn) Xen (Megami and Nu) Mirror (MirrorMan) Quick (Vissy) Phen (Sheogorath)
Have fun, Oh and if you dont post then you take all attacks unavoidably. in the case of the person having to make a choice.... I choose what choice they make.
Good luck!)
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Post by Xypher on Apr 16, 2012 10:50:20 GMT -8
Its been more than 24 hours Billy...
Will possibly edit RP in later, BMA HW keeping me busy and annoyed
Nurse's prowess As a Navi built to heal, and support both himself, and his allies, Merrill's recovery powers are boosted, giving him an edge in battle! Passive Merrill is immune to negative stage and Status effects that would affect his healing. Approved Via Tox Via MSN
Nurse's Innate Healing Passive Merrill is a recovery based navi, who, is meant to heal as well as fight. Merrill recovers 90 HP a turn (50 base + 10/V)
Restores 10% Hp Support + Kaizou
+ 100 HP from Healer
So: (90 + 275(10% Hp) +100 + 72 from Cinnamon) X 1.5 = 805
CINNA
Angelic Healers Aura Cinnamon, being the Healer that she is, affects all of her allies,
Strengthening them as well. passive All allies restore 20% of the regen that Cinnamon has regenerated
Nurse's Healing passive Cinnamon restores 80 Hp a turn 50 base (+ 30 from Verson)
+120 from Kaizou
Cinnamon recovers 280 Hp
M Hp 3437/2750 (peak) H Hp 1600/1600 C Hp 1880/1600 Merrill has 0 AS Healer has 2. Cinnamon has 2
Rain Cloud Aqua S-attack A raincound appears and rains down on the opponent! 100 dmg, (50 + 10XV) gains breakers of next attack!
@ Sheogorath
Aquadic Slash @ Viscadir S-attack aqua Element Merrill uses his power over water to cover an MZKeyZoth with water as it darts at the opponent and attacks. 80 DMG, Undodgable breaks shields, soaks, May optionally auto attack at 50% damage, if hits, the opponent loses 30 dmg next turn to all attacks CD:1 Via Feint Card
Healer
Breath S-attack Fire element *Healer shoots a stream of pure energy from its mouth!* 130 damage. This attack gains 'Burn' if Fire element, 'Undodgeable' if Shadow, and/or 'if hits, target loses 20 armor for 1 turn.'if dark. X2
CINNAMON
Quick Slap C attack Normal Cinnamon closes the space bewteen her and the opponent in an instand, and she slaps them, hard Normal element Auto attack 67 damage, Undodgeable, Break shields
@ Sheogorath
Angelic slap C attack Normal elment Cinnamon slas the opponent! 145 damage Undodgeable, breaks shields.
@ Sheograth
Angelic Punch C attack Normal Cinnamon dashes in, and Punches her opponent in the cheek 145 dmg, Breaks shields, cuts auras.
@ Viscadir
Total dmg: 415 + soak @ Viscaldir and 312 at Sheogorath M Hp 3437/2750 (armor 105) (Peak) H Hp 1600/1600 C Hp 1880/1600 Aquadic Slash 0/1
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Post by "Bill" on Apr 16, 2012 13:31:24 GMT -8
(I'm a highschool student Diamond)
Edit: Ain't like Embera can do anything, no attack slots this turn.
Chaos Embera Custom Skill Embera's nature is chaotic, and as such, her hearts affinities fluctuate randomly.
At the beginning of battle Embera can choose her second karma state at will. This skill cannot be affected by outside sources. Passive Dark karma chosen, karma set at (0, -100)
Regen: 3199
HP:17,059/17,059
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2012 13:45:47 GMT -8
(just post whenever and we'll decide turn order from there. 24 hour rule still stands)
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